Bartonsayswhat From Canada, joined Oct 2007, 196 posts, RR: 0 Posted (3 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2427 times:
When ever i marshal an aircraft, i use orange plastic tube, or a set of reddyorange LED nightwands. i have seen videos on youtube of people marshaling with bare hands, orange gloves, and my favorite, pingpong paddles. In your stations or airlines, what is your "stick of preference." all of the videos i've seen of paddles seem to be asian, is it a regional thing.
also, does anyone have a little "signature move" or little dance that they like to do when kicking a plane out. this second question may be useles with out videos. i know if its i pilot i know after i send him away i like to give a little drop kick. anyone else?
JoseKMLB From United States, joined May 2008, 96 posts, RR: 0 Reply 1, posted (3 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 2364 times:
All we use are the orange wands and lighted wants for am/pm or bad weather here in KMLB.
All I do is gave the salute to the capt. and point which way he will taxi out, but I have never thought of a drop kick to send him out I wonder what the pilot thinks when he sees you do that.
Starlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 12705 posts, RR: 57 Reply 2, posted (3 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 2355 times:
Japanese ground staff are famous for lining up and waving. In fact many people have remarked that if you want to take a picture of a group of Japanese staff they almost subconsciously line up into ranks.
Bartonsayswhat From Canada, joined Oct 2007, 196 posts, RR: 0 Reply 3, posted (3 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 2354 times:
i see some of our pilots 2 and 3 times a day, and were on first name basis with most of them. so if its a pilot we know, theyve probably come chated with us we do the bags (theres only 30 its a dash 8) chat some more, put the onload bags on, finish the conversation, then kick the plane out. if weve been having a good chat we may put the extra little kick in there.
HAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 25374 posts, RR: 52 Reply 4, posted (3 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 2347 times:
Out here....its the Marshalling bats for Day & the marshalling wands at night.
There are regulations to method of marshalling required & every indiviual to marshall an aircraft has to undergo training prior to being permitted to do so.
No fancy moves....Just as per the book
We have both the low tech and high tech marshaling options available. Our work vans have the orange plastic ping pong bats, as well as the gee whiz electronic flashing LED light wands. I don't have any signature moves, but one LAME I work with does give a lecture about what he expects for the desired rate of marshaling device oscillation, as well as position of marshaling device relative to ones body.
This particular LAME is renowned for being able to develop a procedure no matter how mundane, simple and straight forward a task may be. He even had a procedure for pushing buttons on the overhead panels in Airbus cockpits! A touch over zealous most times, but definitely a fantastically talented LAME.
Regards, JetMech
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KELPkid From United States, joined Nov 2005, 3418 posts, RR: 3 Reply 8, posted (3 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2217 times:
Of course, I came up through the FBO ranks (i.e. I've never marshalled a Boeing, Airbus or McDD), but for us it was bare hands by day, light wands by night (flashlights with orange cones up top). In the fuel truck's box of goodies were a couple of sets of light wands (the second set in case some knucklehead on the morning shift forgot to check the batteries ).
Rulebooks and regulations are made from paper...and they do a poor job at preventing metal from contacting rock-Ernest G
KingAir200 From United States, joined May 2006, 725 posts, RR: 0 Reply 9, posted (3 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2167 times:
We use orange triangular shaped wands during the daytime and flashlights with yellow cones over them at night. I like the unlighted wands myself. I don't have a signature move, nor do any of my coworkers, per se, although everybody has their own unique ways of doing things.
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NBGSkyGod From United States, joined May 2004, 329 posts, RR: 1 Reply 11, posted (3 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2150 times:
When I worked the line, it was bare hands during the day time, and those nifty lighted wands above at night. When I would send a bird out, I would start at Parade Rest until the aircraft was ready for engine starts, pop to attention, then give a appropriate hand signals for that. Once they were ready to taxi ( still at attention), I would give the appropriate hand signals for taxi out, then point the direction for taxi and give a nice crisp salute. Although some times I would give the signals for a cat shot off a carrier, just to be a little entertaining.
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The thing with a lot of this LAME's procedures was that there were no concrete figures one could rely on. You were observed by this LAME performing the procedure, and if he did not like any part of it, you were talked to in a somewhat condescending fashion until you got it "right" according to some closely held specification of his.
The problem was that this specification could change markedly and without notice, and often did so several times in the course of a single shift. What may have been the one and correct way to do something in the morning would become a textbook example of errors by early afternoon.
As I remember it, the "correct" procedure for marshaling, was that you had to have your elbows held firmly against the sides of your body. All oscillation motion was to come from the elbow joint only, and occur purely in single plane that was perpendicular to the centerline of the parking bay.
His preferred marshaling device oscillation (MDO) rate generally gravitated towards the blurry end of the spectrum. Given the limitations of human muscles, one could perhaps place a scientific figure of about 2 or 3 hertz upon the operation.
When carried out by himself, and observed from a distance, the overall effect was akin to mans' early and futile attempts to achieve flight by using crude, flapping wings to emulate birds.
As funny as it may seem, the more mundane and simple the activity, the more detailed and convoluted a procedure he developed for it.
Regards, JetMech
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JoseKMLB From United States, joined May 2008, 96 posts, RR: 0 Reply 15, posted (3 months 2 days ago) and read 2082 times:
Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 4): every indiviual to marshall an aircraft has to undergo training prior to being permitted to do so.
No fancy moves....Just as per the book
Same thing out here. If the DELTA REPS or station MGR saw us do some crazy moves I'am pretty sure they would flip.
DocLightning From United States, joined Nov 2005, 2230 posts, RR: 12 Reply 16, posted (3 months 2 days ago) and read 2074 times:
Quoting JetMech (Reply 13):
The problem was that this specification could change markedly and without notice, and often did so several times in the course of a single shift. What may have been the one and correct way to do something in the morning would become a textbook example of errors by early afternoon.
Oh, I know THAT guy! He must practice medicine, too! I've definitely had him as a boss.
I'm sure a number of others have had that boss, too.
HAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 25374 posts, RR: 52 Reply 17, posted (3 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2053 times:
Quoting JoseKMLB (Reply 15): Same thing out here. If the DELTA REPS or station MGR saw us do some crazy moves I'am pretty sure they would flip.
More than flipping.Out here it would be a violation of regulations
I've seen some videos of some non routine marshalling,though amusing I'm surprised its permitted.
HAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 25374 posts, RR: 52 Reply 20, posted (3 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 1978 times:
Quoting JetMech (Reply 13): As I remember it, the "correct" procedure for marshaling, was that you had to have your elbows held firmly against the sides of your body. All oscillation motion was to come from the elbow joint only, and occur purely in single plane that was perpendicular to the centerline of the parking bay.
The bend near elbows & not the wrist is an important requirement.
Also variation in the position of the marshaller from 45 degrees to the Wingtip & Aircraft nose,to straight ahead subject to bay location
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